6/19 Rufus - 3 Mile Canyon / Gorge - 9m Waroo - Do the mod!!

[Spencer R]

Tested the 9m Waroo in 35+ gusts at Rufus. Rode 10 minutes .. then got rocked. Kite inverted, went down, and I swam for about 1/2 hour, way down river. That current really cruises!

Once out, I headed to 3 mile canyon, trying to find a less gusty spot. Launched there and the kite was doing the same thing. When huge gusts hit the small kites in high winds, the kite won't hold it shape as well. So i brought it in and looked up on the web the bridle mod. The fix took about 10 minutes and the kite flew 100% better, holding more 'C' shape, when depowering. It flew alot better in that high wind gusty stuff. I'm going to do the mod on all my waroo's.

All waroo's (at least all small sizes) should do the bridal modification!!! Look at the best forum for info.

cheers
spencer r.

[Jon Manwaring]

Spencer,
Must have just missed you at the Gorge. Looks like we had the same winds and current. Only difference is that the OZONE INSTINCTS did not INVERT. I let everyone fly them. We flew all sizes 13,11,9,7. In all conditions and never an inversion. I personally flew the 9,7 in some Nasty stuff, Did not even feel the GUSTs. Just let your arms out a lttle and keep moving. One windy afternoon let a 7M Yaroo flyer change kites. He could not beleive the difference in how the kites flew. As soon as he can sell the Waroo's He'll buy instincts. The differences were also obvious from the beach. The Waroo distorted in the gusts, and the canopy flapped like a loose flag. Everyone who flew the Instincts was a hard core C kite flyer. and, other than missing the stopper or 'rideing the knot', to a man, they all prefered the Instincts to their C kites and much better than any other bow or flat kite that they had tried. Fly them straight out of the bag, no modifications necessary. Sorry for the rant but the kite rocks. Let me give you a test ride.
JON M

[Jacob Buzianis]

I strongly recommend everybody who own waroo kites to modifide your kite. Spencer's example has happen to me many time. After I change all kites bridle, No "M" shape and no lossing power on kiteloops. I used fall from the sky after I kiteloop the kite and it would do "M" shape. It only happen on strong or gusty wind. PLEASE DO THE MODIFICATION THAT AN ORDER. I will be checking everybody Waroo kites at the beach. You better watch out for me. Jacob Buzianis

[Jon Manwaring]

Yea, Buy a kite then do a home made modification to make it work. Or pay a little more and get a kite that is FANTASTIC right out of the bag.
FLY INSTINCT, and the only thing I'll check at the beach is your SMILE
JON M

[Kenny]

Jon,

Hey, I am no fan of Best, but the Waroo is a good kite. Minor modifications to kites and/or bars is common. I recall a fairly major bridle overall that Chasta performed on a 12M Ozone for Brian.

I would like to fly the Instinct again because I was not as enthusiastic as you are after my first test run. I had a difficult time relaunching the Instinct. I probably did not understand the proper method, but I felt pretty stupid wading in on the demo run. I felt a little better when Doug told me that I was not the only one. The other thing I noticed about the Instinct is that it does not fly as well in light/inconsistent wind as the Waroo or other c kites for that matter. When the wind backed off the Instinct would backstall much sooner and drop to the water while the other kites were still in the air. This may be an adjustment issue. However, if the kite falls to the water and you can't relaunch it - that is a bad combo.

I do give the Instinct kudos for flying more like a C kite than the Waroo. The Instinct also seemed to absorb the gusts well, much like the Waroo. I also like the people at Ozone/Windzup/Mountaintop.

I have only flown the 13M Instinct once, so maybe I just need to try them some more. It would help if they came in some larger sizes.

Kenny

"Rig Big or Go Home"

[windzup]

Hey Kenny,
You definitely need to give the Instinct another go, possibly in other conditions? I've been flying the Instinct for a month now, and have zero issues with relaunching, as long as there is wind to fly the kite will sit at the side of the window waiting to fly. I will say that myself, C-kiters and bow kiters all take a session or two to adapt to the flow of the Instinct, but from session two on I've had some of the best rides ever on the water.

You should fly the Instinct in strong gusty conditions, thats where this wing excells.... I have not found a top end on any of the sizes and in the nasty stuff when some of the other 'bow' kites flutter horribly, the Instinct stays solid and cranks upwind.

Anyway, definitely give it another go...every area of the country that has recieved the Instinct is raving about its performance and positive characteristics. Get together with Marty, Jon or myself and we can dial you in on better methods of relaunching.....its a new concept so there are a few things that need to be learned to adapt to the progression.

I'll be out this weekend if the wind is good, unless Mojave calls us with a better forecast.

Windzup,
Brian Schenck

[Marty Lowe]

I have probably more time on the Instincts and feel I can make some comments.
First, I have no association with Ozone, other than I'm friends with Windzup.
I did get a buddy deal from Jon, but not alot less than anyone in Utah would get.
Second, I don't care what anyone flies, just want to comment after hours on the kite.
I hope this comes across as helpfull, I'm not bashing Best, or Kenny.

I would like to fly the Instinct again because I was not as enthusiastic as you are after my first test run. I had a difficult time relaunching the Instinct. I probably did not understand the proper method, but I felt pretty stupid wading in on the demo run.

I've flown Bows since December, the Instinct is not a bow.
It does not relaunch like a bow.
Most people the demo days were trying to relaunch the Instinct like a bow, including myself.
You can not stand in the mud, pull a back line, and have the Instinct relaunch, just like you can not do with a C kite, expecially in very light wind.
With even marginal wind, you can just pull on the back line to relaunch, but you must float along with it.
I learned this from Jake with his Waroo.
If standing, just go towards the kite a little (like a c) and it will relaunch.

The other thing I noticed about the Instinct is that it does not fly as well in light/inconsistent wind as the Waroo or other c kites for that matter. When the wind backed off the Instinct would backstall much sooner and drop to the water while the other kites were still in the air.

It's simple, but different, the kite flies more on its front lines than back lines.
You actually let out on the back lines in a major lull.
(I've had some say like a foil, but I don't fly foils)
That was the first major adjustment to my flying style I had to change.
(It took me a while to fugure this out. Light wind issue only)
I was thinking C kite setting that day, I had it set with to much backline, my fault, not the kite.
(I tied a knot in the back leader line to shorten it. Which pulled to tight, stalling the kite.)

I have only flown the 13M Instinct once, so maybe I just need to try them some more. It would help if they came in some larger sizes.

Kenny I will always debate this issue with you, friendly I hope.
I feel when a kite is more efficient, you don't need to go so big, all you gain is drag.

A good example - Marty was out riding with a 13M kite in marginal wind today. Other kiters were on 20M kites and smaller boards. Marty was staying upwind and jumping. As I stated previously, the board is more important than the kite.

Every kite has to give a little somewhere to gain in other areas.
Getting rid of the inverting I had on my Bow,
was the reason I tried the Instinct.

The excellent flying capibilities,
and huge range of the Instinct.
(no more 23.5M, 19.5M? 16.5M, for me)
made it a solid choice.
13M, 9M, and 7M for those few nuking days,
is my current quiver.


If it had onepump, I'd be in kite heaven.

-Marty