kiteloop accident video from Big Sandy Res. Wy.

[jason morton]

Found this video on kiteforum.tv/


http://www.kiteforum.tv/component/optio ... Itemid,30/

[Mark Johnson]

Wow! Is that a 5M Ozone kite? Dam lucky it didn't happen while he was launching right into his truck.

[jason morton]

Ya. It's a 5m light. Everybody on kiteforum thinks the video is a fake.

[tjacques]

scary

[RickHeninger]

Jason,

I watched it a couple of times and I kind of agree... If that really is how fast he got ragdolled, that is incredible. It does look fake... ?!?!

[windzup]

I spoke with the guys that were there....they claim it is legitimate. It is at Big Sandy, and in the Spring (check out the snow on the background peaks), and it howls there that time of year.

Apparently the guy pulled on one side of the bar and wound the kite up... a multi-loop scenario causing a quick jaunt downwind.

The rider is on a 5 m kite, which means its pretty windy, I don't think I've ever rigged less than a 7 in any winds even over 40mph...so I assume its howling.

The lesson for me would be don't ride in winds that strong....or don't pull the trigger unless you are ready to fire.

In the immortal words of Chef: Never get out of the boat!

I hear the rider is fine, and is going to wait a season or two before he tries kiteloops again.... good advice for anyone.

Windzup,
Brian Schenck

[bordy]

I hear the rider is fine, and is going to wait a season or two before he tries kiteloops again.... good advice for anyone.

Windzup,
Brian Schenck

Why wait just pull the trigger next time out.... Never fear the loop just respect it!

[windzup]

I hope you are being sarcastic Bordy...

I prefer to teach my pupils to Respect the power, and to gradually adapt their skills to the situation.... that way their confidence and skill will grow together and not scare or injure them out of the sport.

Pull the trigger....when you are ready to go all the way. (please lookout for shallow water, downwind obstacles and other riders)

Windzup,
Brian Schenck

[bordy]

I hope you are being sarcastic Bordy...

Windzup,
Brian Schenck

Nope no sarcasim what so ever, Matter of fact I teach all my Clinent to throw the loop on a little 3M waroo before the even touch a board ( while body dragging in the aqua). Loops happen all the time and can be a exciting part of kiting! Plus once the clinet feels the loop they know what to expect.

With the flight carteristics of a foil kite teaching a student to throw a static down loop can save the kite when the wing tip collaps at the edge of the window, this would be a great skill to have while flying a foil. Should you shelter you student from the info or teach them the benifits?

Why would you shelter your student for the worse case la unexpected loop?

I learned to throw the loop mid air in only my first few months off Kiting,.

Glad I did static loops first to understand the kite.

As I said before........

Never fear the loop just respect it!

Waiting a season or two to try again seems like hiding from the loop and pretty old school

[hedquista]

i do the same when teaching. once they have the flying down pretty good i say "throw in a loop" they get yanked around and usually crash but becasue it is a small kite it does no damage. they love the power and they learn to respect the power of the kite real quick.

when i was learning i spent many hours on the land getting to know the kite and get MY kite awareness up. i still get better every day i go out and fly.

[windzup]

Yo Bordy, I posted comments referring to safety as many newcomers read this forum. Be careful what you recommend, you may have to help carry that friend away from the beach later when they take your advice literally.

Maybe you should watch the video this thread is reffering to... we are talking about real world kite loops with powered kites while riding... I do not recommend my students to throw their bodies out of control just to feel what a loop is like while kitesurfing, I recommend they do it when they are ready and prepared.

Now that is not to say that I don't implore proper kite control while teaching basics on a trainer kite. If you are talking about flying small kites on land, one should be able to maneuver a trainer kite through every portion of the window with control before moving on to larger more powerful kites. This control includes down turns up turns and powered turns thru the window.

There are also several other techniques I could share with you if you are interested, many of which are old school and learned over time at the school of hard knox... but those are more easily shared at the beach with wind.

Foils can collapse and inflatables can hindenburg out of the sky... all kites prefer cleaner wind to perform better. I fly and sell all types of kites and I know what works better and easier in different conditions, foils and inflatables are all amazing kites. Being old school gives me nearly a decade of trying out what does and doesn't work, and even led to my involvement with the worlds first and still only company that is fully dedicated to developing the sport of snowkiting and innovating gear that can make the sport safer and easier to learn. I remember how easily you picked up snowkiting at Skyline while trying out my 12 meter Frenzy... in your first runs you cruised uphill and even took what you claimed was your first jump there. Your riding was very smooth and you seemed to have no trouble at all dialing into the simplicity of an open celled foil.

Most students that have learned at Skyline start on a 2-3 meter trainer or directly on a Access 4 meter... there they dial in the kite control while learning the same systems they will implore on the larger kites when in the field. Next they are on a 6 or 8 meter Access and off riding, usually within half a day. Small powerful foils are a great tool for teaching students, you are welcome to try them out anytime if you feel open minded to offering your students every option.


Windzup,
Brian Schenck

Windzup's founding Philosophy: Grow Kiteboarding and Get more People involved in the sport. What we fly and sell comes later, lets work together to grow Snowkiting and Kitesurfing as a safe and popular sport in Utah. I love watching more people get the stoke off what we all are addicted to

[lesvierra]

BTW and speaking of kite loops gone bad, how is Nate doing? Boy's got balls. Hope the leg is healing well.

[Mark Johnson]

yea how is Nate?

[Spencer R]

He's doing well... 50% weight on leg now... seems to be healed up pretty good.. doing PT now. Probably 2 to 3 months of work left. We have an east coast (outer banks) trip planned for the end of the month, which was planned before the Gorge trip... I'll have to ride enough for both of us.

-spencer r

[bordy]

Dude, First I am going to assume like the rest of us you are tweaked out due to lack of wind and the fall air turning us into winter waiters…

I am not sure why you think giving me a lecture is at all cool?

I could break down your response bit by bit and of course post my own opinion. But clearly based on your previous responses you feel as though I can not have my own ideas??? You choose to instead respond negatively and with malice? Thank you for your input on the matter and your clear statements. Many of which seem construed, based of course on your commitment to the sport.

I will choose to ignore comments like; Be careful what you recommend”, Maybe you should watch the video” Or the comments that followed in the Paragraphs were you seem to be defending foil kites after I assume you felt my explanation of how a loop could benefit a foil student, (some thing I stated just to adapt it to the benefit of a guy who teaches on foils, you, trying to be social and friendly) Instead you write a paragraph again defending the foil kite (much like the awkward posts I read of yours, last year on Kite forum.com)

I would assume that if I took the time too fly foils Not only from you but from several other kiters then why would my comments be considered anti foil? And why would I need to be educated or reminded? Shouldn’t that have happen first hand when I flew them? Of course it was easy to co from a c-kite to a foil they depower the same jump similarly and I have 25+ years flying multiple line kites foil and rigid. Thank you for the complements!

Brian, I am asking these questions because I am really having a hard time interpreting your candor and reason for your belittling responses’?

It’s very difficult to consider your contribution to the sport at the level you wish to convey

“Windzup's founding Philosophy: Grow Kiteboarding and Get more People involved in the sport. What we fly and sell comes later, lets work together to grow Snowkiting and Kitesurfing as a safe and popular sport in Utah. I love watching more people get the stoke off what we all are addicted to “

If you truly believe your methods are the only methods and everyone else is incorrect for offering alternative ideas…. Be it Kites, teaching method, or opinions on Kite Loops and there place for beginners. Then how are you helping the sport grow?

I appreciate your offer to share some techniques and look forward to hearing them in person.

I would have never thought I would receive such a off color response from your self but really assume you are just “Online kiting” and got caught up in the vibe… Since I have noticed your attendance on the board has increased lately during the doldrums?

Get stoked on the snow to come, the wind to blow and us to make turns together please, don’t get down on a cat you know is speaking his ideas about a kite loop video and your post concerning that or any loop on a imaginary space like the internet. Seems bunk to me.

Be well

(caution opinion follow) I’ll say it again respect the loop don’t fear it!

Billy





On a side note

“Be careful what you recommend, you may have to help carry that friend away from the beach later when they take your advice literally.”

After evacuating Nate off the River after a kite loop landed crooked and treating him for a fractured femur, He is stoked to throw one (a loop) ASAP!

Last I spoke to Nate he was just as bummed he didn’t stick it as the day it happened but is up walking, sort of working and Flirting with the ladies, His spirits where high and he was only bummed about not seeing the Kite Crew lately! He will make a full recovery and be playing in the snow!!!